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they were very much in place under pope benedict xvi when he was cardinal joseph ratzinger. maybe it's time for someone outside of rome, who is not engrained in this culture, maybe it's time from someone from a developing nation, someone else to clean house. >> raymond, a former catholic friar in england spoke to christiane amanpour, and what he said, it really stuck with me. i wanted to play it for you. his name is mark dowd. >> homosexuality is the ticking time bomb in the catholic church. on the one hand, the church teaches that the condition of same-sex attraction is intrinsically disordered, those are ratzinger's own words from 1986, but we know about half if not all of people attracted to the seminaries are gay themselves. >> ratzinger is pope benedict. is this true? >> i think you have to step back for a second, erin. this is hardly a news flash. father donald cousins wrote about this 20 years ago. father andrew greeley coined the phrase lavender mafia talking about a subculture within the catholic church. but barbie was quite right. this is focusing the electorate's
they were very much in place under pope benedict xvi when he was cardinal joseph ratzinger. maybe it's time for someone outside of rome, who is not engrained in this culture, maybe it's time from someone from a developing nation, someone else to clean house. >> raymond, a former catholic friar in england spoke to christiane amanpour, and what he said, it really stuck with me. i wanted to play it for you. his name is mark dowd. >> homosexuality is the ticking time bomb in the...
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it's a volkswagen golf, formerly owned by a man named joseph ratzinger, now known as pope benedict xvi. it's now listed on ebay and online casino bought it first back in 2005. that's the ceo right there. they're hoping to get $150,000. the proceeds will go to charity, they say. >>> also in the "index" tonight, take a look at this video, this 3-year-old nova scotia retriever, got stuck on the ice. on lake michigan. they sent in a chopper first, then a fire boat. finally, a man on a kayak swooped in, he dove into the frigid waters to get him. the dog actually tried to bite the guy. ultimately, they did get the dog off the lake and back with his owner. that's our "instant index" for tonight. >>> coming up next -- we're calling her the footloose first lady, what michelle obama did that's going viral tonight. [ jackie ] it's just so frustrating... ♪ the middle of this special moment and i need to run off to the bathroom. ♪ i'm fed up with always having to put my bladder's needs ahead of my daughter. ♪ so today, i'm finally talking to my doctor about overactive bladder symptoms. [ fema
it's a volkswagen golf, formerly owned by a man named joseph ratzinger, now known as pope benedict xvi. it's now listed on ebay and online casino bought it first back in 2005. that's the ceo right there. they're hoping to get $150,000. the proceeds will go to charity, they say. >>> also in the "index" tonight, take a look at this video, this 3-year-old nova scotia retriever, got stuck on the ice. on lake michigan. they sent in a chopper first, then a fire boat. finally, a man...
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but benedict xvi, or joseph ratzinger as he will begin on february 28, is too much of a respecter of the process to try to interfere with it. he is really going to disappear. you're not going to see him for a considerable length of time, that's how he wants it and that's how it ought to be. >> let me talk about cardinal timothy dolan, the religious new service calls him today the chris christie of the college of cardinals, a man who's a plus sized purlet who makes jokes about his weight. he said in terms of baseball, i am going to be pro choice. is it possible for them to choose an american pope? would it be good for the church to choose an american pope? >> reporter: if the cardinals decide that cardinal dolan is the man who can do what i just said to crystal, put a forward looking faith on the church's offer of disciple ship, i think he will be the man chosen. i think the old taboo about a superpower pope being off the table is really no longer in play. that had something to do with the cold war, obviously. but it also had something to do with the decline of american presence in th
but benedict xvi, or joseph ratzinger as he will begin on february 28, is too much of a respecter of the process to try to interfere with it. he is really going to disappear. you're not going to see him for a considerable length of time, that's how he wants it and that's how it ought to be. >> let me talk about cardinal timothy dolan, the religious new service calls him today the chris christie of the college of cardinals, a man who's a plus sized purlet who makes jokes about his weight....
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so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the grounds of vatican city for the last time as the head of the roman catholic church. and liz lev, as our historian, give us some historical perspective and what you're seeing as you see this, as someone who has been so close to the vatican and lived ed id ino longe? >> i'm looking at this courtyard, which has had so many different events take place
so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the grounds of vatican city for the last time as the head of the roman catholic church. and liz lev, as our historian, give us some historical perspective and what you're seeing as you see this, as someone who has been so close to the vatican and lived ed id ino longe? >> i'm looking at this courtyard, which...
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the former cardinal joseph ratzinger was touched by the charges of child abuse in the catholic church. bill: what happens next on the dates that are aren't? >> reporter: he's leaving february 28, 8:00 p.m. local time in rome. that leaves that very important vacancy and sets up a conclave of cardinals. vatican says by mid-march at the latest. vatican says we should have a new pope by esther sunday march 31. pope benedict will not take part in the conclave. usually a conclave happens after a pope dies. 1415 was the last time a pope quit in office. who is the next pope? he could come from developing areas of the world. it guarantees a lot of drama and a lot of black or white smoke coming from the roof is sistine chapel. march report concerns about the pope's health surfaced this past christmas eve. have it can watchers say he looked frail as he delivered the midnight mass. here he is riding in a motorized cart. the mass is moved up two hours to give the pope time to rest for the christmas day speech. he took the opportunity to urge peace in the middle east during the holidays and was loo
the former cardinal joseph ratzinger was touched by the charges of child abuse in the catholic church. bill: what happens next on the dates that are aren't? >> reporter: he's leaving february 28, 8:00 p.m. local time in rome. that leaves that very important vacancy and sets up a conclave of cardinals. vatican says by mid-march at the latest. vatican says we should have a new pope by esther sunday march 31. pope benedict will not take part in the conclave. usually a conclave happens after...
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. >> reporter: now, born joseph ratzinger the german became pope in april 2005 when the cardinals elected him to succeed pope john paul ii. this decision means that the catholic church will be without a pope for a period of time until the cardinals can select a new successor. live in san francisco, cate caugiran, kpix 5. >>> a manhunt continues in southern california for the ex- lapd officer they say has already killed three people. a reported sighting in northridge was a false alarm. it's now been eight days since police say christopher dorner killed his first two victims. lapd was on high alert for the grammys. los angeles officials announced a $1 million reward and it cops as the search for the former officer winds down in the mountains east of l.a. meantime, l.a.'s police chief has reopened an investigation into the circumstances of dorner's firing. >> if he was to give himself up, we would be glad to listen to what he has to say. >> dorner claims he was fired for reporting a fellow officer for excessive force. the last clue investigators have of dorner's whereabouts was thursday when
. >> reporter: now, born joseph ratzinger the german became pope in april 2005 when the cardinals elected him to succeed pope john paul ii. this decision means that the catholic church will be without a pope for a period of time until the cardinals can select a new successor. live in san francisco, cate caugiran, kpix 5. >>> a manhunt continues in southern california for the ex- lapd officer they say has already killed three people. a reported sighting in northridge was a false...
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pope benedict xvi was born in 1927 as joseph ratzinger. he served in the army but deserted and was eventually captured by americans and then released. his decision sets the stage for a new pope to be elected before the end of march. the san francisco archdiocese just opened about a minute ago. we are hoping to speak to someone from there and get reaction on this event. >> all right. tara, you can get more information about the surprise resignation announcement about the pope by going to ktvu.com. click on the pope resigns tab. >>> 8:01. police in san mateo, warning residents about an increase in residential burglaries. the police say several burglaries have been reported in the fiesta gardens and shoreview neighborhoods of san mateo in recent weeks. most of them have been happening during the daytime when people are at work. the thieves usually 0 knock on the -- knock on the door first to find out if anyone is home. police are telling residents lock all of your windows and the doors. >>> a crash in concord left one man with life-threatenin
pope benedict xvi was born in 1927 as joseph ratzinger. he served in the army but deserted and was eventually captured by americans and then released. his decision sets the stage for a new pope to be elected before the end of march. the san francisco archdiocese just opened about a minute ago. we are hoping to speak to someone from there and get reaction on this event. >> all right. tara, you can get more information about the surprise resignation announcement about the pope by going to...
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one was the american cardinal and joseph ratzinger you may have heard of who became benedict xvi. this time you have 50 conclave veterans in the sistine chapel, and i think therefore will be more inclined to think they ought to have say in what's happening. >> and i believe some 67 who have been elevated to cardinal by benedict xvi. >> that's right. all 115 were appointed by john paul or benedict. >> so as catholics around the world look to the possible direction the church might take, and in america we know there's a big wing of the roman catholics who is looking for a more progressive, more modern catholic church, that addresses the real issues of living in today's 21st century world, other parts of the word are much more traditional, much more conservative model. how do you see it going forward and to you think there will be an american pope for the first time? >> an american pope is a long shot, but for the first time it's thinkable. in the old idea you couldn't have a super power pope because america is too powerful and if you put that guy in, half the world will think vatica
one was the american cardinal and joseph ratzinger you may have heard of who became benedict xvi. this time you have 50 conclave veterans in the sistine chapel, and i think therefore will be more inclined to think they ought to have say in what's happening. >> and i believe some 67 who have been elevated to cardinal by benedict xvi. >> that's right. all 115 were appointed by john paul or benedict. >> so as catholics around the world look to the possible direction the church...
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joseph ratzinger, pope benedict xvi, coming out to the balcony, and perhaps saying the last public words we will ever hear from him. what did he say? he said, i love you. he said i feel your support. he said, thank you for being here. and then in a very simple way, maybe the last words we'll hear from him, he said, [speaking italian] he said good night, good evening. he turned around and walked in. one of the beautiful signs written there in italian, that i saw in the crowd said, it said, benedict, your humility has made you bigger. and that was humility. there is no more pope benedict xvi speaking to us from balconies or around the world. he is now living as a monk. jenna: father jonathan, even though i'm not able to see you here from washington, d.c., we're still taking in the sights of this square there. we can feel in your voice how moved you are by what has transpired over the last hour. just talk us through a little bit what you're feeling and the emotions that come to mind. >> well, maybe it's better that you don't see me in that, you know, all of us i think, who have known him, a
joseph ratzinger, pope benedict xvi, coming out to the balcony, and perhaps saying the last public words we will ever hear from him. what did he say? he said, i love you. he said i feel your support. he said, thank you for being here. and then in a very simple way, maybe the last words we'll hear from him, he said, [speaking italian] he said good night, good evening. he turned around and walked in. one of the beautiful signs written there in italian, that i saw in the crowd said, it said,...
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. >> reporter: as cardinals joseph ratzinger, he was labelled god's rottweiler. he was shown a gentle side. never more so than meeting with sex abuse victims in his 2008 trip in the u.s. he saved his biggest surprise for last says john thamus who covered the vatican for 30 years. >> he will be remembered as the pope who resigned. it will be greatest gift to the church. >> reporter: currently, the conclave to elect the successor to benedict xvi is to happen between march 15th and march 20th. there is talk of moving that date up. all of the cardinals are expected to be here on february 28th. alex, back to you. >>> anne thompson, thank you. the blame game on tsequestratio. the new york times says those will cut 14,000 teachers and employees. and 250,000 civilians employed by the army could be furloughed for up to 22 days. aircraft would forego maintenance. >> it's the president who proposed this sequester. is the house with smarter cuts in other areas of government. >> the fact is this was never the president's idea. this was the result of hostage politics in the re
. >> reporter: as cardinals joseph ratzinger, he was labelled god's rottweiler. he was shown a gentle side. never more so than meeting with sex abuse victims in his 2008 trip in the u.s. he saved his biggest surprise for last says john thamus who covered the vatican for 30 years. >> he will be remembered as the pope who resigned. it will be greatest gift to the church. >> reporter: currently, the conclave to elect the successor to benedict xvi is to happen between march 15th...
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she wrote about her friend when he was just cardinal joseph ratzinger. >> john paul ii was much more vigorous. when he wanted something, he was really now! joseph ratzinger is not now, but is trying to convince -- maybe try to convince to make these people reasoning in a certain way, but he didn't succeed. >> reporter: even the most faithful say his legacy will be m mixed with great accolades for his teachings and writings but criticism for some of his leadership. >> success is hard to say. it's not that there's been highs and lows but issues to deal with that have been very serious. >> reporter: the abuse of children by priests has driven people away from the church. >> i think there are all kinds of rules and regulations that have been set up to protect children more so that this does not happen again. >> reporter: the growing consensus is that the next pope must be a strong manager, able to take on the challenges and reign in a dysfunction al. able to lead this institution and charisma never hurt. >> i hope he will be a man with a vision and can move forward. say to the crowd i lo
she wrote about her friend when he was just cardinal joseph ratzinger. >> john paul ii was much more vigorous. when he wanted something, he was really now! joseph ratzinger is not now, but is trying to convince -- maybe try to convince to make these people reasoning in a certain way, but he didn't succeed. >> reporter: even the most faithful say his legacy will be m mixed with great accolades for his teachings and writings but criticism for some of his leadership. >> success...
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pope benedict xvi was born joseph ratzinger in 1927 in germany. he became a cardinal in 1977 and was chief theological adviser to pope john paul ii. following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, is joining us. sanjay, what do we know about the pope's health as of late? >> well, you know, not much that's new here, wolf. and i think that's part of the reason this came as a surprise to so many people. certainly we know his age, 85 years old, and as a physician there's all sorts of different things that you certainly worry about. cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, stroke. he had a hemorrhage in his brain they think back in 1991 that may have been due to a stroke. but a long time ago, and there was no evidence of anyth
pope benedict xvi was born joseph ratzinger in 1927 in germany. he became a cardinal in 1977 and was chief theological adviser to pope john paul ii. following the death of john paul he was elected pope back in 2005. he was 78, the oldest person to become pope in almost 300 years. little has been said publicly about his health, which made his resignation even more surprising since he said his strength has deteriorated recently. let's get some more now on the pope's health. our chief medical...
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ratzinger. no word yet on whether he'll get an official title. he announced monday he no longer has the strength to carry out the job. the vatican is confirming the holy father has had a pace maker for several years and in the hospital to have the battery replaces. a conclave to elect a new pope will be held in march. >>> it is 10 minutes after 8:00 now. still ahead, credit report mistakes. it's possible millions of americans should have a better score than they do. coming up, a consumer protection official will join us live to clear up the confusion. delayed home comings? fox 5 morning news will be right back. some folks didn't think that our coffee was their flavor,, it wasn't their cup. if you don't like that dark roast, we've created a coffee for you. blonde is a beautiful, light roasted coffee. kind of mellow, sweet, a little citrusy. for me, personally, i love connecting with people, so blonde roast just gives me a whole nother reason to connect with more custom
ratzinger. no word yet on whether he'll get an official title. he announced monday he no longer has the strength to carry out the job. the vatican is confirming the holy father has had a pace maker for several years and in the hospital to have the battery replaces. a conclave to elect a new pope will be held in march. >>> it is 10 minutes after 8:00 now. still ahead, credit report mistakes. it's possible millions of americans should have a better score than they do. coming up, a...
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born joseph ratzinger, he was an academic, planned to retire and write books. some criticize him as a cardinal for becoming too strict. for which he apologized. >> i express my deep sorrow to the innocent victims of this inspeakable crimes. >> reporter: during his eight years as pope, he has taken on major issues, speaking of environmental climate change, putting solar panels on the vatican. he will be pope until exactly 7:00 pm on the 28th of this month. he will eventually move into a residence in the vatican. the vatican is saying they hope to elect a new pope by the end of march before easter. according to church rules, this pope will not be able to vote for his successor because he is over the age of 80. natalie? >> michelle kosinski, following the breaking news for us. thank you. >>> los angeles police department is hoping that a $1 million reward will lead to new clues in the search for former cop christopher dorner, who is suspected of killing a police officer and a couple engaged to be married. in surveillance video obtained by nbc news, sources say dor
born joseph ratzinger, he was an academic, planned to retire and write books. some criticize him as a cardinal for becoming too strict. for which he apologized. >> i express my deep sorrow to the innocent victims of this inspeakable crimes. >> reporter: during his eight years as pope, he has taken on major issues, speaking of environmental climate change, putting solar panels on the vatican. he will be pope until exactly 7:00 pm on the 28th of this month. he will eventually move...
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y joseph ratzinger estÁ a punto de dejar su pontificado. su papado serÁ recordado porque salieron a la luz los pecados que amenazan a una iglesia. vamos a roma con pablo. buenos dÍas. cuÉntanos. >>> gracias, satcha pretto. hoy finalmente es una de las mayores incognitas que preocupaban a todos los catÓlicos es como habrÁ que llamar a papa benedicto xvi. nadie sabia cÓmo iba a estar vestido, es una situaciÓn que no se daba hace 6 siglos, pero se confirmÓ que mantendrÁ el titulo de honor y se lo llamara papa emerito, y vestira una sotana blanca. y ademÁs, como marca la tradiciÓn, una vez que abandone su pontificado se le pedirÁ el anillo del pescador, es algo que se hace cada vez que muere un papa. y la primera reuniÓn del colegio cardenalicio serÁ el 4 de marzo, y tendrÁn el poder de decidir cuÁndo se inicia el conclave. dÁndole a los cardenales esta potestad. vamos a seguir al pendiente. >>> gracias, pablo por ese informe. estamos siguiendo de cerca todo lo que tiene que ver con esta despedida del papÁ papa benedicto xvi y
y joseph ratzinger estÁ a punto de dejar su pontificado. su papado serÁ recordado porque salieron a la luz los pecados que amenazan a una iglesia. vamos a roma con pablo. buenos dÍas. cuÉntanos. >>> gracias, satcha pretto. hoy finalmente es una de las mayores incognitas que preocupaban a todos los catÓlicos es como habrÁ que llamar a papa benedicto xvi. nadie sabia cÓmo iba a estar vestido, es una situaciÓn que no se daba hace 6 siglos, pero se confirmÓ que mantendrÁ el...
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now the former german cardinal, joseph ratzinger, was a conservative and advocate of traditional faith. he had to deal with a whole lot of issues between catholics and muslims and jews during his time in office. he also had to deal with scandal including the widespread charges of child abuse inside the catholic church. the question now is, who will be the new pope before the billion plus catholics around the world? there is some speculation it could come from south america, from africa, the developing world. history could be made but as we've seen in the past certainly there will be drama as well as those black and then white smoke signals come up from the sis teen chap nell. we'll be -- sistine chapel. we'll be watching. jenna: the twitter account we put up on the screen is something new he started. probably won't get the announcement from there. that would be a little too much. greg, much more on the story throughout the day today. big one as it is. thank you. >> reporter: thank you. >> look at that, guys. that is a tornado right there. >> look it. >> oh, wow, dude. [inaudible] >> th
now the former german cardinal, joseph ratzinger, was a conservative and advocate of traditional faith. he had to deal with a whole lot of issues between catholics and muslims and jews during his time in office. he also had to deal with scandal including the widespread charges of child abuse inside the catholic church. the question now is, who will be the new pope before the billion plus catholics around the world? there is some speculation it could come from south america, from africa, the...
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friends who worked with then cardinal joseph ratzinger in the vatican knew that but prior to that no one knew. popes don't face the same pressure to reveal medical records ads presidents or presidential candidates and i would suggest that today's revelation may well add some pressure that some cardinals are already feeling to be more concerned about potential health problems of men that may be considering to succeed benedict xvi. >> john allen reporting live from the vatican. >>> today in chicago two gang members are due in court charged with the murder that has become a keystone in the national debate over gun violence. they're accused of shooting 15-year-old honor student hadiya pendleton days after she performed at a lunch in washington during inauguration week. she died a mile from her chicago home. >> michael ward has confessed and indicated that has ddiya wa not the intended target. in fact the offenders had it all wrong. they thought the group they shot into included members of a rival gang. instead it was a group of upstanding, determined kids, like hadiya, were repulsed by t
friends who worked with then cardinal joseph ratzinger in the vatican knew that but prior to that no one knew. popes don't face the same pressure to reveal medical records ads presidents or presidential candidates and i would suggest that today's revelation may well add some pressure that some cardinals are already feeling to be more concerned about potential health problems of men that may be considering to succeed benedict xvi. >> john allen reporting live from the vatican. >>>...
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member of the ee legal swiss guard who protected the holy and also knew benedict when benedict was joseph ratzinger. >> he could work with a real crowd and with his experience in theater and poetry and everything, he would really reach people like that. >> widmer, an author who teaches at catholic university, says as a swiss guard you never spoke to a pope or cardinal unless he addressed you first but he and benedict would chat when benedict was waiting to see pope john paul. >> completely open. >> reporter: what was he like to talk to? >> very -- he would ask me what my interests were and how i felt and how i saw things. >> reporter: and with a sense of humor, like when benedict offered to sign widmer's copy of a book that he written which was pretty thick. >> when i gave it to him he said, you're really reading this? and i said, i'm trying. he said, it helps to do it in small steps. >> reporter: but he also had a personal crisis as a guard, spending his first christmas away from home. john paul helped him through that. >> i sort of had a meltdown and right at that moment he comes out of
member of the ee legal swiss guard who protected the holy and also knew benedict when benedict was joseph ratzinger. >> he could work with a real crowd and with his experience in theater and poetry and everything, he would really reach people like that. >> widmer, an author who teaches at catholic university, says as a swiss guard you never spoke to a pope or cardinal unless he addressed you first but he and benedict would chat when benedict was waiting to see pope john paul....
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ratzinger, the new pope, i was on the first plane to bavaria to do the story about this new man's life, this new pope's life. anyway, yes, it was emotional. we heard him speaking english, which was interesting because we're used to hearing him speak primarily in italian. it was clear from today's general audience, it was a different speech. normally it's a catechism. this was really a reflection on his decision and his thanks to the people who supported him and to the faithful who accepted his decision to step down from his post. very unusual moment and historic moment in that people generally don't get chance to say farewell to a pope. a pope passes on and then another one is elected. so this was a very special moment and he clearly was emotional and spoke about how his time as pope had been full of joy, but also full of difficult moments and i think we can read into that in many ways. but he said most importantly that they never felt alone, that he felt he was asked to do this job. he didn't seek it out. and he was guided the entire time. now the clock is ticking. this was his last p
ratzinger, the new pope, i was on the first plane to bavaria to do the story about this new man's life, this new pope's life. anyway, yes, it was emotional. we heard him speaking english, which was interesting because we're used to hearing him speak primarily in italian. it was clear from today's general audience, it was a different speech. normally it's a catechism. this was really a reflection on his decision and his thanks to the people who supported him and to the faithful who accepted his...
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. >> joseph ratzinger, cardinal ratzinger then was 78 years old when he got this job and was actually looking at retirement. he was ready to step down. >> right. >> but obviously the vatican calls -- >> he was moving to boca. hey, how do you know, mika brzezinski, that your church, the catholic church, is in serious, serious trouble? >> how? >> when mike barnicle is speaking. when he becomes -- >> when i'm at the pope desk. >> when he's at the pope desk. where is pat buchanan? hey, somebody call pat buchanan and wake him up. what's up next? >>> well, we're going to talk about the state of the union next. coming up, deputy majority whip congressman tom cole will join us. also former deputy campaign manager for the obama campaign, stephanie cutter will be here to preview the president's state of the union address. and later, we'll talk to nbc news chief white house correspondent, chuck todd. and "new york times" columnist gail collins. and in just a few minutes, sports columnist for the "new york daily news," mike lupica joins the table. he knows it's true. look at him, he looks guilty.
. >> joseph ratzinger, cardinal ratzinger then was 78 years old when he got this job and was actually looking at retirement. he was ready to step down. >> right. >> but obviously the vatican calls -- >> he was moving to boca. hey, how do you know, mika brzezinski, that your church, the catholic church, is in serious, serious trouble? >> how? >> when mike barnicle is speaking. when he becomes -- >> when i'm at the pope desk. >> when he's at the...